When the Perfect Life Implodes: A Trip to India That Changed Everything (feat. Anna Quigley)

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Every journey has a story. And every story has the power to heal. My story hasn't been ordinary. I was adopted, I'm a survivor of abuse and trauma, and I have more than a dozen siblings. That's just the beginning of my story. Life has taken me on a long and winding road of healing and personal growth. A journey that ultimately led me back to myself and the path I was meant to walk. Along the way, I discovered that stories have power. The power to connect us, to help us grow, and even to help us heal. This is Travel Time Stories with Shannon. Real journeys, real stories, and real healing. If someone feels afraid to step onto the plane, metaphorically or literally, what would you want them to know about trusting the journey?

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That's that's a literal and a figurative question. Get on the plane, just do it. Just do it. I'm in a was in a group of women traveling, you know, over 50, and there was one. I'll share this quickly. She goes, I'm doing my first trip and I'm my first solo trip and I'm going and I'm going to Paris and I'm so afraid. You know, what if I get lost? And I'm like, if you get lost, you're lost in Paris. Yeah. Right. Where's the downside? And it's not that you're lost, you're just someplace you didn't know existed.

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Welcome back to Travel Time Stories with Shannon, where real journeys meet real stories and real healing happens one conversation at a time. I'm your host Shannon from the Lone Star State of Texas. Some weeks I fly solo and talk about my own life story of travel adventures, personal healing, and growth. Other weeks I'm joined by my best friend and co-host Ann from Missouri as we sit down with special guests who share their insights, expertise, and personal stories to help all of us along our own journeys. Ann is here with me today because we have a special guest joining us. Hey Ann.

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Hey everybody, welcome to the show. Today we're joined by Anna Quigley, transformational speaker, catalyst, and the founder of Journey to Purpose.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

That's right. And through her signature Uncover, Realign and Emerge Framework, Anna helps people navigate major life transitions and design next chapters that honor who they've become. For all of our Star Wars fans out there, she has been dubbed the intuitive Yoda for her deep insights and practical wisdom. I love that.

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Couldn't resist keeping that in here. I have a lot of Star Wars stories that relate. So somebody goes, I'm keeping that one.

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You should. You should. It works. But you know, what we love most, travel has been a defining thread through Anna's biggest life shifts, including one moment where the perfect life she had built simply imploded.

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And instead of calling attorneys or updating her resume, she boarded a plane to India.

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Anna, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Thank you so much for having me. I'm I'm looking forward to continuing our conversation. So we're very excited for tonight.

SPEAKER_04 3:40

This is going to be so awesome.

SPEAKER_05 3:42

Exactly. So, Anna, you've said travel is your number one passion and that you've intentionally woven it into your career and even used it as recuperation after leaving like toxic work environments. And that's really powerful. So when did you realize travel wasn't just a hobby, but a lifeline?

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah, I think I knew early on, even as a child, we my parents and I was back in Ohio. My parents would take us out on Sunday for a drive and getting out in the country. And that was one of my favorite things that we did. And I really had the opportunity going forward is when we would travel from Ohio. We were moving out to California. And beforehand, we did a couple of summer trips out and stopping at different places and the adventures. And I think I really, the bug really got settled at that point. My first, I'll call it big adventure outside of like Mexico or Canada was in college. And a girlfriend and I decided, hey, we're gonna take off and go to Europe for this summer. And we did. We spent, I think it was six weeks and traveled all over and just kind of jumped on a plane, and we didn't have a typical, right? College kids. We didn't have a hotel. We were landing in London and we didn't have a place to stay. We were just winging it. We met somebody on the plane, and he goes, Oh, my roommates, you know, you can do a lot when you're 20. Mm-hmm. Right. Because oh, my room, we have an extra space, and my two roommates were all travel, you know, when they were in the travel business. And they said, Oh, you can come stay with us, and we did.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

And went around, so I not had any fear of travel. I've been in situations, including actually Russia, while it was the Soviet Union. Oh my goodness. And went with a group of citizen diplomats. That was an amazing experience and met with peace committees and whatnot. But I wandered around at night on my own in Moscow and was just fine, other than trying to figure out their underground system was a little tricky. But the cleanest, you know, subway metro you've ever seen. Because we're keeping everything in order. So I've just never had a fear. I truly feel like the wor this sounds trite, but the world is just my neighborhood and just different places that I haven't explored yet or I haven't really gotten into. But the first trip, the first trip to Europe was uh that was the center. I I came back and you know, I'm so excited. And I told my dad, I said, I I'm I'm going back, I gotta go back. And he he said, Well, you just you already went once. And I thought, oh yeah, you have no idea. And he didn't until he went and traveled one time. And he came back with the same thing. He goes, Okay, I got I gotta go. I gotta go have to go back. I said, See, Dad. Yep, exactly. It's addictive. It's like, oh yes, you start. You know, one of the things that I love about it is we are all the same. I wherever we are, we dress differently, we cook different food, you know, we speak obviously speak a different language, but essentially we're we're the same. I'm gonna I'm gonna share one story because this vision will be with me until the day I die. I was in New Delhi and five o'clock on rush hour sitting in a taxi, and you know, you can't move, and there's a cow in the middle of the road, and nobody cares, and the buses and everything's moving around the traffic. But we were stuck, and I just glanced over, and on the corner was a family. They were, and this is it's part of the tragedy of this, but there was a beauty in it that just struck me that there was a cot, and the husband just laid down on the cot because you know he'd been working hard, and the mom was sitting on a stool, literally on the street corner in the middle of New Delhi, with a pot and a you know, kerosene fire, and she had a baby on her lap and she's cooking dinner. Oh wow. And I thought you changed that environment and they're in Beverly Hills or they're in Missouri or they're in Texas.

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Exactly.

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Wherever, you know, and the seeing the streets, the streets with the shops opening up in the morning, and they're fixing their w you know, brushing off the stoop, welcoming, getting their store ready everywhere. I saw that every country I've ever been in, we have that, and it's just it's so unifying.

SPEAKER_04 8:17

Just beautiful. It's amazing. So you have moved multiple times during transition periods. Yes. Do you think travel and relocation help us release old identities?

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Definitely. I'm told that I'm very courageous because my friends think so. But I've I have transitioned and I have moved from city to city when there's a time and state to state when there was a transition point. It's like I need I need a a fresh break. I need to explore something different and put myself in a different energy, if you will. Plus, again, I just love exploring. I would have been on a covered wagon coming out west had I lived, you know, 150 years ago. I truly would have. It's like, oh yeah, let's go see what's over there. Let's let's try that. But I had one particular um dramatic moment. I I will I will say it was it was tough. I was living my dream life in San Francisco. I had my beautiful Queen Anne Victorian and a job that I loved. And within a month, everything imploded. The the job ended for reasons I won't even go into. And I was in a arbitration with the co-owner of the building. And I'm looking around, going, what, what did I do? You know, of course we blame ourselves, right? What did I do? Or what what's happening here? And I realized it's it's more, you know, what's the question really is more what's next, especially for me. But I said out loud, literally, because I need to find quiet when I'm going through something that's tough. What heals me is finding a quiet space, secluded nature's always great. Travel is always great for me with that. And I literally called out, I mean, in my house, and I said, I need to go sit on a mountaintop and meditate. Well, I was thinking, you know, Mount Tam, you know, just across the but within a day and a half, my cousin Robin called, who used to live in Fort Worth. And she said, I you I'm going on a trip. She goes, I'm going to India to an ashram. Would you like to come? And it turns out the ashram happened to be on top of a mountain. And I thought this does not get clearer. Wow. Yeah. I should, you know, I could I had the opportunity and the option to stay and deal with the attorneys and find another job and another house because it was clear where I was living was not a healthy environment for a number of reasons. But there was no way I was saying no to that. And I plus I had always wanted to go to India. Gandhi's one of my heroes. And since I was junior high, I'd always been called to India, if you will. So this was just everything and a much needed opportunity to get my mind clear on where I was and was I really living the life that I wanted. Was I, you know, using the gifts that I'm here to give and share? Was was I there had been there had been red flags. And like a lot of us, you know, when most of life is really good, it's easy to just kind of ignore the bumps and the red flags and the things, the friction, the things that aren't right. It's like, well, you know, why am I I shouldn't complain? Because, you know, life is good. Why am I feeling called to something more? Or why am I feeling this something's not right here? So I believe me, I jumped on a plane after about a million shots. I had to do the first trip to India. But and it was, you know, it was just heaven. It was plus, you know, an ashram. So it was so much of it was serenity and being, you know, in moments where I could really let my voice, my inner voice, my intuition speak, my inner voice speak. And I came back with clarity. Yeah, only about three feet. That's that's what I that's my mantra. I never get the whole picture. Most of us don't. I get about the next three feet. And what I knew coming back was that it was I was going to move. I wasn't a hundred percent sure, but I was very drawn to the Northwest, the Pacific Northwest. And in that process, it was like, well, I'm gonna go check it out. And I started having a vision of what the house would look like, even. And oh my goodness. Uh yeah. I'm I'm really visual and and my intuition, my guidance speaks to me very strongly, uh, not just through visual cues, but through that. And I shared it with my realtor, and you know, we looked at some places and I went home and she called me one day and she goes, I found your house, come up here like now. And it was almost exact. It was so close to the to the vision that I had. It was it was crazy. It was crazy. So it was and I'll share it if you want. I'll I'll take 30 seconds because I think it's funny. I I just I had been living in this beautiful, formal, fancy Victorian. I thought I just want a cottage and I want a some yard instead of living smack in the middle of San Francisco. I I don't want to have to run off on the weekends to nature. I want nature in my yard and a big fireplace because you know I knew it rained and got, you know, it was colder up there. Big fireplace, big sloping lawn, and I thought, oh, a creek in front of me would be nice, you know. And then I saw a little red boat on the bottom left of the lawn in this picture. And I thought, well, I'm really good at creating images. So that's kind of it. And I that's what I shared with the realtor. And when I went back up to look at this house, I walked in and tulips are my favorite flower. And then the the peekaboo thing on the door had tulips. And I go, hmm, that's kind of a nice sign. Opened the door, wood floors, huge fireplace, wall of windows looking out over sloped lawn. There wasn't a creek, it happened to be the Columbia River, which was a little upgrade. Huge upgrade. And I thought, yeah, but there's no red boat on the on the corner. Well, that's pretty good. But there was a red boat trailer. Oh my goodness. I was like, well, if there's there's again, like the India call to India, I said, This is there's no question, this is my house. This is where I'm wow.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Yeah. So it was pretty impactful travel adventure there.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

It's amazing that you've followed your intuitions like that. I've never thought about that.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yeah, yeah. The more I listen to it, the easier my life flows. The more I listen to those little cubes and the clues and the gut feeling going, something's not right here. It's easy, but as they say, it's so easy to dismiss.

SPEAKER_05 14:59

Yeah, it is.

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Very much so.

SPEAKER_05 15:02

Yeah, yeah. For listeners who may not know, what exactly is an ashram and what was your first day like at the ashram?

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Well, it's really a spiritual center. There was a guru, a a wise man, like a monk, a monk, a priest. It's along those lines. And uh it was this beautiful, long, big community that we stayed in. The women had one side very proper, the men in the other. And I got to wear wonderful Indian clothes. And you know, it was a lot of meditating and a lot of opportunity for soul searching and self-inquiry, peaceful, and then just being in the environment of here's a a group of hundreds of people that have gathered together, spiritual seekers looking for how to you know live their life at a higher level and how to live their lives better as a better human, as a better human and connect more with the divine, uh, whatever that is, whether you call God or universe or whatever that is. Right. But that's you know, so like-minded seekers kind of looking for and wanting to fulfill their own purpose. So that alone was powerful. And then I was in India and I was just like I felt so at home there. I was from, you know, day one. So it was it was it was again very peaceful and a nice community of of people. I got to do a little touring while I was there.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

That's why I love that. Was there a specific moment that shifted something internally for you?

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Oh, so many. Well, I I think it was toward the end of the three weeks that I was there having conversations with a couple of people from different parts of the planet and whatnot. And that's when there was a moment there that I knew that I needed to move. And it surprised me because I always wanted to live in San Francisco and I loved it and I had good friends and I I didn't have a job anymore, but I knew I could get another one. But that's uh it kind of surprised me. But again, everything was so specific and so clear that it was like, okay. And I had m moved to Colorado after after college to have a fresh start. So I'd already done that, and then I was back to California. So I wasn't afraid of making a a big change like that, or what most people consider a big change. So yeah, that was probably the catalyst because up until then I really didn't know what I was going to do when I got home. And that that was nice to come home with that small piece of clarity. And then came then, you're going to the northwest, and here's the life that you're gonna create your life differently, not the hustle bustle of a city, a little more casual, more nature, which is just that's my healing space. That's my healing space.

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Definitely I I agree.

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Yeah, I think from I think for a lot of us, if we really let ourselves do that, just even walking in the grass, playing golf barefoot when I can, you know. Just saying activity. Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:06

There's something about connecting with the earth that grounds you.

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Yeah, it really does.

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It does me.

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Yeah, gardening and getting your hands on earth and yeah, all of that. It's really it's tuning off the rational mind that's always keeping us going and keeping us on track. And oh, you gotta do this and you have this and you have that. And it's like a moment's like that. And I also call uh the power of the shower, you know, when when you're in water, it's a similar kind of thing. Yeah, oh yes, getting in the shower, people are, you know, creating songs and you you're not thinking about the to-do list usually. It's easier to relax, so it's kind of the same, kind of the same thing, water nature as well, just a liquid form.

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Yeah, exactly. I agree.

SPEAKER_05 18:50

So you came back from India, you had this clarity, you you moved, you you found your perfect house. What else? What else were you certain about when you came back from India? Was there anything else that well I sold my house?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

That was like immediate, you know, that was like we're letting go of this because it was it was fairly toxic. Um no, but when I got up to Washington, it was okay, what's next? So instead of, you know, I had moved out of the why is this happening? Why is my life imploding? What's the reason? And I I had been getting clear on looking back and going, oh, yeah, I never really connected with the boss that I had in that particular job. And there were issues with the co-owner of the building. I'd been warned not to buy the house because someone, an attorney that that I knew, knew him and said, don't deal, you don't want to deal with this guy, find something else. But I was so attached to the house by then. I'm like, this is I I wasn't able to let that go. So I started looking back and seeing those moments where I had an opportunity, had I been paying attention, the little red flags that were like, hmm, maybe, maybe something else, maybe not, maybe this isn't great. Again, because I was so much of what I had, I really loved. I loved the job. You know, I I did a little bit of travel with that job, not a lot, but not as much as my last place. I just was ignoring some of the signs that I could have potentially, if I was listening, made transitions before, before that. But that's been my learning path, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:26

Slow learning. I think for I think for a lot of us, we have to learn the hard way. So, you know. Yes.

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The universe is a patient teacher. It's been like, okay, you didn't learn now. Now here we're gonna give you another opportunity to learn. And I want another one of those too. Uh another situation to last my a career that just had been fabulous, and I got to travel all over. And I loved that. And it just it became toxic. And I knew my doctor was writing me prescriptions. You gotta take a leave of absence, it's affecting you, and ended up in the ER with 104 fever, and they tested everything, and they go, There's nothing wrong with you. And I go, Yeah, I know what it is. It's stress. And it's stress, stress is the silent killer. Big sign to get to to make a change. And I did, I left that job and I thought, okay, it's time for me again. I need to do something. And I packed up my house and I went to Europe for three months. Nice. Just reveled in it, me and my camera. And it was just, you know, it was phenomenal. I pretty much knew the areas that I went to. I wanted to go to medieval towns that I had never been to before.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Oh.

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And yeah, I it was just bliss because I just anything I wanted, I wandered around. I walked so many steps. You have like a quarter of a million steps, I think, is what I tracked on my footbed. Not in all, not in a, you know, the over the period, you know, but it was it was it was so healing. And again, it gave me an opportunity to start thinking about what do I want to do? What am I here for?

SPEAKER_04 22:01

How do you know when it's time to realign instead of just push through?

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Oh, that's it's so challenging. It's so difficult. The more I stay centered and the more I give myself time when I'm starting to feel that stress and that pressure, when I pay attention to it, I'm getting better. But when I pay attention to it and step away from it, find some moment or five minutes, you know, in the car before you step into a crowd of people or whatever, you know, the family thing at the end of the day. Whatever it takes, I can hear it more. I can hear that inner calling. Like I think, you know, I think of midlife, I think of it as a calling, not a crisis. It's, you know, so often happens at that time of our lives too, that you know, you've done the family, the career's been good, but you know, you kind of did that already, and maybe there's something else. And we start feeling those inklings, those little things. And it's, you know, breadcrumbs maybe that have been popping up like travel for me throughout my life, throughout our lives, little things that are unique gifts. We're all born with some unique combination of gifts. And I have come to the aha, absolute belief that that is where we go to find our purpose. We have different purposes, you know. It's at some point in our lives, it's, you know, education or it's raising a family, and all of those are wonderful periods, but multiple purposes. And what do we look at? If we look at what those unique gifts are that we have, I know that and from myself and I believe for all of us that those are major clues to what we're here to share and give, because not everybody has them. And right you guys, you both, I'm sure, you've had people come up to you and go, Shannon or Ann, oh my, how do you do that? I'd give anything if I knew how to do that. And if you're like me and most of us, I just what are you talking about? It's just something I do. Right? Yeah. You know, it's like, it's like it's not even comprehending that it's of any value to for, you know, for for me in some way because it's so innate, it's so much a part of me and you that we just we don't, we many of us were raised that it's only valuable if you had to work really hard for it.

SPEAKER_05 24:19

Yeah, exactly.

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Effort and study and you know, yeah, you're climbing up the ladder. When really the the gifts, like you as you were talking about, Shannon, it's like travel, you know, you've had travel in the background. How can you use the travel? Well, that's a passion of yours. And a passion sometimes why that's it, why do you have that passion? I it's almost it's akin to the unique gifts. Why am I passionate about what is there about that? It could be who knows what reason, but it's there to serve us and it's there to help us serve the people around us and the world around us.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

We deserve that.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

We definitely do that.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

We've done it all, and we deserve to take care of ourselves and to listen to that intuition and just do those travels, don't put it off.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yeah, or or go in the garden and just be in the garden and sit with the butterflies and put your hands in the earth or float in a bathtub for an hour with the door closed and exactly out and you know, all of that. It's stealing time sometimes, depending on where you are, but it's so critical that it's not self-care, it's self, it's self-purpose, it's self-growth to to give ourselves those moments. And that's where our clarity comes from.

SPEAKER_04 25:35

Yeah, I call it me time.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Me time, yeah. Yeah, seriously. Well, and you know, I don't I don't mean to take anything away from men because they they do a lot, and I love men. But as women, you know, we are the caregivers most of the time, and it's everybody else and everything else. And you know, I love people say it's like, you know, the the husband's like, okay, I'm gonna go to bed. He gets up, he goes to bed, and the woman goes, Okay, I'll be there in a minute, and then it's feeding the cat and feeding the dog and putting the dishes and turning out the light lights and loading. Yes, yeah. Doing that you know, 20 minutes later it's like, okay, but it's a different, it's a different every night. Yeah, it's like I'm tired, I think I'll go to bed. That rarely happens where it's a straight shot from wherever you are in there. Exactly. That's so true. Self-care, we we just we just have to, and our inspiration and our creativity comes from that quiet place. You know, the rational mind, I like to say, keeps the trains on track, but the creativity. I heard a lecture recently by a Nobel recently awarded Nobel Prize winner. And he students were talking to him, they go, Oh, yeah, it takes a lot of work to do this and come up with these ideas. And he kind of laughed. And he said, Well, yeah, it does, it does, it takes a lot of effort. He said, But honestly, I get my best ideas when I'm running around Torrey Pine State Park. That creative moment in nature, letting, you know, letting the concepts, the ideas, the creativity flow, not listening to the I have to do this, the to-do list. It just can take over our lives, literally. I thought that was wonderful because, you know, that's where the that's where the creativity comes from and the guidance, the the really core guidance of it's time to move or it's time to, you know, how how creating a next a next career. Okay. And you looked at that. It's like, what do you what do you love? Okay, I'm gonna create a career, a new career around travel, because I love travel and talking to people and sharing stories, and look what you've done.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Right.

SPEAKER_05 27:51

It's incredible. I still can't believe it.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

So yeah, me either.

SPEAKER_05 27:58

It is very exciting.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

It's so fun. Uh, we've met some just amazing people on this journey and just really enjoyed that a lot.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

Yeah, exactly. So, what does Emerge feel like emotionally?

SPEAKER_00 28:15

You could probably tell me what your experience is on there. You're living that too. Uh for me for me, it felt well, it it was self-nurturing. And walking away from the last job that really was starting to affect my health. And I'd had a negative health adventure years before, and I'm like, I'm not doing that again. Yeah, I felt so free. Was it a little scary? Yes, it was a little scary because I didn't know what was going to happen. I knew I was gonna do the travel, but beyond that, I had no idea. And it was a leap of faith. It was a leap of faith, but there was a freedom and a lightness that came on that. I felt I was in control of my life rather than my life controlling me. Controlling you, and that's right. What had that's the condition that I had gotten into. Everything was about work, everything was about that job and trying to wrangle it and control it and keep it moving. You know, it's like resuscitating the situation. And it was finally clear enough that it's like this, it's just never somebody said it's yeah, it's like a relationship, it's really, really good until it's not. And it's hard to walk away from those too. But when you, you know, when you really get clear that, okay, this this is not working, it's not serving you. And it, you know, when we're functioning in pain, when we're functioning under those levels of stress, we're not effective. We're not as effective as we could be. We're not we're not able to share who we are or what we have to offer because there's this, it's like, you know, the hose, tightening a hose, a kinking a hose. Nothing, nothing flows. So I guess you know, the emerging, there's there's that level of lightness and fulfillment and knowing you're making a difference. And it's not about blowing up your life. Mine happened to implode it a couple of times, a couple of times because I wasn't listening very carefully, and I'm getting much, much better at that. But you know, it's important to to recognize those sooner. Sooner. And you know, I I when I listen, my errands are run smoother and faster, and I don't forget things and have to go to the bank twice. And you know.

unknown 30:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Been there, done that. Yeah, exactly. You know, and what it what is when you're running out the door and you go, Oh, I forgot my phone. Do it, do I, you know, was that rational mind? No, that's some little thing in our head that like we know is that we have a tendency to forget our phone and something pops up previous experience, it's reminding us. So it's intuition in a forum, sure, because intuition comes from so many levels, everything's stored in our mind. And it's like, I did just check for that. Yep. Oh, yeah, I forgot that. Thank goodness it does. Thank goodness it does. Right.

SPEAKER_04 31:08

So, Anna, you mentioned using travel as recuperation after leaving toxic environments.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Right.

SPEAKER_04 31:16

So many people stay stuck because it feels safer than leaving. What helped you choose yourself?

SPEAKER_00 31:23

It's difficult because it it it it can be scary. Change is scary. And we we like knowing the path that we're on. We like having solid ground underneath us, literally. Right. Um and and the familiar uh change is hard, change is hard for all of us, but at what price are we staying in that situation? And that's so often why we ignore the red flags, because it's like again, it's like so much of life is good, but this part's not working. And I think there's some fear too that what happens? You know, is this going to be a big explosion? I don't necessarily want a major life crisis. These changes don't have to come at a big expense. And the more we listen to them when they're quiet, when they start bubbling up and start making themselves known to us, the smoother the transition can be, I believe. I believe it doesn't have to become a you know a big thing, a big thing.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

Uh I like that actually. Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Yeah, yeah. And it is scary to think about that. It's like, well, I know this, it may not be great, and yeah, there's these problems, but but I'm comfortable with it. It's familiar. And it takes a it takes a leap of faith. I coach that the more we get comfortable with how our intuition speaks to us, and I use the word speech, but it comes through all of our senses. You know, it's a gut feeling, it's the repetitive visual cues that we see over and over. It's like, oh, I never noticed that before, but that's the answer to my inquiry, you know, what I've been thinking about. Um auditory cues, you know, the little voice. Um, sometimes it actually sounds like a voice to me, but usually it's just, you know, that quiet something in our in our minds. And lists the more we get familiar with how that's coming to us. And it can come through all the different senses at different times. And I I I like tracking. I'm a little bit of a data kind of geek and as we know, you know, with the Yoda thing, uh, a little bit of a science geek, too. Um so I like tracking, and I think the benefit of that is when you have an intuitive experience, whatever it is, if it's like, oh yeah, you forgot your keys before you run out the door or you left your wallet on the counter and you get to the bank, oh wait, you know, the more you start recognizing, and I again tracking, it's like, oh, write it down. What happened? Oh yeah, I I almost forgot my keys, but I got a little something reminded me, I don't know what it was. Write it down. What happened? It was it an auditory cue? Did you see, you know, somebody on a billboard? And it's like, that reminded me I need to do that. Whatever that is, however it comes, a gut feeling, any of those, if you write it down, something may happen on Monday and you go, oh, that was interesting. I don't, you know, it was told to turn right and I missed the construction. I didn't, huh? I didn't know that. Why did we get the guidance to turn right? But by Wednesday, you go, what was that happening? You know, what was that? Because it's so you know, it's it's a little it's a blip, it's a brief moment. And I find for me, then just kind of keeping track of it, it's like, oh, you start to see a pattern and you start to have a little more trust in what those that those signals really are kind of helping, kind of helping you along the way, helping you along the path. It's kind of it's just kind of fun too to see what did it how did it show up, you know, gut feeling. Real gut feeling, that's the easy one. They called the into uh the um intestines and the gut the second brain is that strong. So it comes through. Oh definitely. Yeah, yeah. It's like or you get chills when you meet somebody who's a cup. You know, and you were talking about you just meet someone and you just feel comfortable. Why is it exactly and then other people it's like you're like you can't step back fast enough for you know that you've done anything, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

You just know that yeah, you need to leave their space, you just have that that in that gut feeling, and that's where it hits you in the gut. It's like I'm out of here.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Even if we don't know why, uh especially when we don't know why, but learning that those are working in your behalf, it becomes easier to trust them. And the more you see the the pattern, the frequency, it's like, okay, that's oh, that's my intuition. I still ignore I still, you know, I'm still human. I ignore my I just actually not long ago ignored mine. And I did and got twice and got stuck in traffic because it just didn't make any it didn't make sense. And I was I'd come back from an acupuncture appointment. I was driving home and I was I was so blissed. I was, you know, or I don't even know how I got into my car. I was just like levitating, I was so relaxed and floating. And I'm like, I'm not taking the freeway, I'm taking the road by the golf course over the hill. And uh, this is I was just in a bubble of bliss. And the little voice was like, take the freeway. Right like a block before the freeway, and it startled me because I'm like, well, no, no, wait, it burst my bubble literally. And I'm like, what are you talking about? No, no, that's not the rational mind started kicking it. No, we had a plan, we had a plan. So I drove past it, but it wasn't, it wasn't even two blocks, three blocks later. I the little voice again, but it was louder, was like, turn around, take, take the, take the freeway. Well, I hate turning around. That's a pet peeve of mine. I like double backing, it feels, you know, it's just one of those works of mine. And I really got annoyed, and I'm like, no, you know, and the rational mind can be a bully. And it's like, you know, the four-year-old, you can't tell me what to do. I was telling, I'm going the back way, you know. It's like, no, no. And I got stuck in construction. I was probably half an hour late. But I love that experience. And I laughed at myself because I'm like, You you help people learn this thing and you look at you, I'm still human. But I I'm so glad that happened because it's such a it was a good reminder that when we listen to our intuition most of the time, nothing happens. You know, maybe you run into a friend, maybe you find a great new restaurant, maybe, you know, but you don't know. Had I taken the freeway, I probably would have gotten home just fine, no events or anything else. And I would not have had any idea why. It wasn't anything major, it wasn't an accident, it was just a delay. Right. But I twice my intuition was telling me, no, just go this route. And I didn't listen. I didn't listen. So those are the things that really they just they give me such confidence and and trust in listening when it happens. When it happens and frustration because it's like I know better. Really come on.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

So would you say that your voice has always been there? Or did you like tune into it through these transitions that you've had over the years?

SPEAKER_00 38:26

I believe we all have it. Science is doing all kinds of research on this, and it's quantum mind-body techniques. There's science behind it. We actually have this, whether it's based on previous experiences, history, it's a combination of all of that, everything that's stored in our brain, and it all gets communicated through our senses. So there's a there's actual science behind that there's validity to this. So we have it, it's whether we listen to it like I didn't, you know, and that was speaking very loudly to me. But it's and it can come with practice. It's a skill that you can learn to listen to it more, but we all have it. We're born with this. It's it's you know, it's our internal GPS, it's original equipment, if you will, built into it. Right. Just like, you know, just like other abilities that we have. We have the ability to use it, but most of us just don't recognize it to begin with. And then start when we start the more again, the more we start recognizing it, the easier it becomes to recognize the signals. It's like, oh yeah, oh yeah, wait a minute. That's there's a reason I saw that. And maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but stop and take a look at it and consider it and see. So kind of kind of a fun thing to to play with and experiment with.

SPEAKER_04 39:43

That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

I'm gonna I'm gonna confess here. So you call it intuition. And I've never thought of it as that because my mother called it a gift. She said we all have the gift that some of us know how to listen and watch for for things. And so what blocks people from hearing that inner wisdom? Some people do not hear it as strong.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

They don't. Rational mind, again, it's we're trained with that. We know, oh no, pay attention. You know, oh, that doesn't make sense. You know, you maybe you get a creative thought. You know, even as a child, imaginations are going crazy. It's like, oh, you're just making that up. That's not real. That's not real. We s we learn early on to just just ignore some of those things. That creative ideas and the thoughts and the intuition is stronger as kids, and it's we're kind of like, oh no, no, you know, I really want to do this with my career. Oh, you can't make a living doing that. So ignore that. Ignore that gift.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

So intuition is a gift, it's it's a built-in one. So gift, but intuition is the word, you know, that I use sixth sense, my uh internal GPS, or I call it our God positioning system sometimes because I believe we're I like that.

SPEAKER_04 41:03

We're all I do too, actually.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

It's built in, it cut, you know, so it's everything that we have. It's not practical. It isn't practical. It's so funny. I I was on another podcast not long ago, and we were talking, we got on to intuition, and the host was saying, Well, yeah, my friends are always like, Oh, you're so impulsive, and why would you just do this? And he came to realize through the conversation that what his friends were saying was his impulsiveness was his intuition. And he was listening to it. He was following it. He's like, Oh, right, I need to do this, I need to go there. He had the biggest aha moment. Like, that's I've been listening to my intuition. He's been paying attention to it and the external of friends and family around him, just always impulsive. He was listening, whether he knew what it was or what it wasn't. I thought that was great because maybe you're impulsive. That's another way it shows up. People may think you're impulsive, but you're somehow or another, whether you recognize it as the gift or intuition or sixth sense or whatever you want to call it, it's he was paying attention in some in some way and acting on it. So I thought that was great. That is really great.

SPEAKER_05 42:13

That's a great revelation. Yeah, very yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

Yeah, yeah. I would just, it's so fun to gather stories and you know, just I don't know. Good things good things can happen and challenges. Some someone I know just ended up in a ditch on the side of the road for eight hours because he and he knew, he knew, no, I'm not going back to this thing. No, it's not the right thing. And he kind of got talked into it. Oh, come on, you've worked hard for this event or whatever, and you should come and you know be at the you know, finale thing of it. And he's like, I don't want to do it. He got talked into it and had a terrible accident. So someone else literally got hit by a truck. That was her kind of finding her purpose moment. And you know, it doesn't have to be hopefully it isn't that dramatic.

SPEAKER_05 43:00

Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

Yeah. Most most of the time, I think not, but it serves as a good remote. I could just be stuck in traffic or you could have something really serious happen. Not to scare people.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

But right. But really do listen to that. It's telling you something for a reason.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

I I believe I believe that absolutely. Whether we understand it or not. Why was I why was I called to move to Washington? I don't know. That particular thing. You know, I love the weather, I love the trees. So there were all of those things, but there were situations and people that I met up there that I know I needed to be, you know, around and experiences I needed to have. So grateful for that. And I woke up one day thinking I was never moving back to California, particularly Southern California. I was never gonna happen. You know what they say, never say never. And I woke up and I woke I woke up one morning and went to went to the job that I was on, and I'm like, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm moving back to California. So you know. Wow. Yeah. And here I am. Until until I'm told to go someplace else.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

For now, this is this is where I am. So and it's kind of like, okay, well, I'll know if there's if and when it's time to do something different. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 44:19

Life's an adventure, live it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 44:23

Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's and for me it's been a lot of, you know, focus on work. And I'm like, no, you know, there's so much more to life. And travel gives me that too. When I get to travel, it's like, yeah, look at this. There's amazing things in the world. And seeing how different people live and experiencing that, both, you know, how unique we are, but also how much the same we are. And you know, it just it's not work is work serves its purpose. And I love, I'm chose work now that hopefully I'm giving back. And, you know, sharing some of these lessons that I've learned and some of the tools that I've that I've gathered to if I can help anyone, you know, that's kind of like, I don't know what's going on, but it's something's rumbling in there and it's time to change to help them figure out how to access that and and move from there to fulfillment. And again, start exploring your unique purposes and start listening to your to your intuition a little bit more. And I think those those lessons come clear. Those ideas come clear.

SPEAKER_04 45:31

I agree. So for for someone listening who feels like their life just imploded, where do they even begin?

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Well, I again there's starting to pay attention to those little gut conversations, the little gut feeling and the little whisper that you get that doesn't make necessarily make sense. Start paying attention to to signs that you're seeing over and over that may be relating to something. Make time for quiet. It's hard, you know. You're raising a family, we've got young kids. It's you know, it's tough to to make room. I mean, if you sit in the car for five minutes before you go in with the groceries, you know, if you're by yourself, just anything, any way that you can. Nature, just out in the yard, anything, stay a long bath, you know, even waking up in the morning, give yourself a few minutes before you bound out of bed if you can, because the rational mind has been sleeping.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

And how often do we wake up going, Oh, I oh yeah, I could do that. I hadn't thought about that. You know, that we're giving that create creative mind a chance to show us the solution or the steps to take that we, you know, we just it gets noisy. The rational mind is is loud.

SPEAKER_04 46:49

It's yes, sometimes it is very loud.

SPEAKER_00 46:52

And we're and we're again we're trained to listen to that, not the other. So it it's like this one's got a megaphone and this one's you know whispering, and it's like so turning down the volume a little bit on the rational, on the rational mind.

SPEAKER_05 47:08

So how do we design a next chapter that reflects who we are now and not who we used to be?

SPEAKER_00 47:15

Yeah, yeah. It's it's a lot, it starts with self-exploration. And I have actually have a couple of things that I would love to share with your listeners. A couple of tools. And since we kind of talked about a little bit of everything I want to share too, which I don't usually do, but I want to, I'm feeling I need to. I have something called just the intuit intuitiongift.com, which is an intuition guide. It talks about the different ways intuition can speak to us. It has a little tracking sheet for those who like doing that kind of thing, where you can start kind of jotting it down or just even looking at some of the basic things. You know, of course, they can Google a lot about intuition and how it comes to them, but this is just a little tool that they can use. So that's intuitiongift.com. And then I have a workbook on kind of finding that next purpose. And it really just asks, you know, self-inquiry starts with self-inquiry, like what are my core values? What's really important to me? And it takes time sometimes to really think about that again because we're so busy in life. We have so many things that we're doing and that we're participating in. Also, we don't recognize some of our gifts because they're just effortless. We don't value them. So I suggest a number of questions to ask the people that know you really well. Friends and family, and you know, what do you think I love? I think we're pretty clear, most of us are pretty clear on the key things that that we love. When I asked my friends and family, of course, travel came up first. And we all knew that. That was no surprise. But there were some surprises and things that I just like, well, it's not useful. And and then it actually became a part of my business at one point. I'm like, wow, yeah, it just it tied in. I'm like, okay, there you go. Using the things that I just innately like, that I'm innately good at, the more of those that we can use, like any of our aptitudes, the more we can use them and incorporate them into our day-to-day activities, the more fulfilled we are, the more really purpose we're going to feel like we have, and the more we're gonna have to contribute to people around us, the planet in general. I mean, which of us really doesn't at some level feel like we we want to make an impact? You know, we want we want to know that our being on this planet in this life has made a difference, whether it's to one person or a million. Doesn't have to there's no big or small. And and these can be again baby steps, baby shifts, but yeah, we're always building, we're always learning. You know, work work with the knowledge that you've gained. What is that? How does that tie into this ability that you have that you really haven't been paying any attention to travel on a podcast and a conversation? Right? Who knew? I certainly didn't, so so that that workbook they can find is second it's spelled out second act playbook. Because why not play more more than a workbook? Secondactplaybook.com. And they can download that for free. Either one of them they can download for free. And then that's got contact information if they want to want to have a path forward call with me. I'm love to talk to them and find out kind of where they are and see if I can help just get them started on the on the next step. That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 50:41

Thank you so much for that. My pleasure. I'm definitely getting on there.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

And you have the link how it helps and it works.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

And now I have a name that explains everything. It it's intuition.

SPEAKER_00 50:54

It's it's intuition. But see, your mom knew she just got had a different name for it. She had her own name.

SPEAKER_04 50:59

Different name for it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

And she she I think she's right. It is a gift because it helps so much. It helps so much. In my life, it's never I've never found it to be wrong. But it's it can be difficult too to separate the rational mind and what's what's logic that kind of bumps into it. Sometimes it's like, well, I thought that was intuition. That didn't work. Well, you know, was it really intuition, or were you, you know, blending the two, which, you know Yeah, that can happen. Or oil and water kind of thing. Yeah, it doesn't flow as well. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 51:31

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

So would you be up for a a lightning round of just some couple fun questions? Sure.

SPEAKER_00 51:42

I have an answer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:45

I know you do. Tell us about a place that changed you forever.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

A place? Well, I have to say India, of course, but actually Russia. Russia did. I I'm not going there now. I don't want to, you know, it's a whole different situation here now. But yeah, there was something very core. When I I was when I was there, I was like, I yeah, I'm like Soviet woman. I just, you know, and people were like, the the women were saying the same thing. She goes, Oh, you're just, you know, just like us. I don't know if it's a million past lives there or just this energy vibration. I was so aligned with these amazing um women and men that I met there. We were doing with a peace group. And I it just there was just uh just an energy connection. And plus it's, you know, I had another another thing. I've had a thing for St. Basil's, you know, about forever. Right. And I got to be there and experience that. So, you know, things like that. And travel have brought those things to me. There's places still on my list that they're calling me. I haven't been there yet. Have missed, you know, Rio de Janeiro's one. I'm not particularly drawn right now to much south of you know Mexico. Right. But Rio de Janeiro I am. Peru, yes, I'd love to go to Machu Picchu. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:09

Yeah, Machu Picchu, yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

Yeah, I have a rock from there a friend brought back a little tiny. So I have some connections, but I don't know what it is, but Rio de Janeiro does something about that. It's like maybe someday we'll see. We'll see what's especially during festival time.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

They're supposed to have amazing, amazing festivals.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

It's supposed to be, although I don't know. I kind of it's like almost might be a little overwhelming to do that. First trip might be better not during festivals, so I really didn't get a sense of the city and the and the people, which is the the whole fun of you know, of traveling. So definitely. Yeah, I was in Milan a couple of years ago for work, but I also I would always tag a vacation week on wherever, you know, if I had to travel, especially internationally. And so it was fun watching the Olympics because oh, I've been, I have, you know, I have a hundred pictures of the you know, Milana, Milan domo and inside and that's where and oh, there's an ice cream shop over there, and it was kind of like getting back going to visit again a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:14

I love it. So window or aisle.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

I beg your pardon? Oh window actually. Oh window.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

Yeah, no question. Carol, me too. I have to sleep.

SPEAKER_00 54:23

Yeah, yeah. I want to see Yeah, I want to be able to see. Yeah, gotta be able to look out. And and uh a friend of mine was a flight attendant for like three years, and she goes, I don't get these people that sit on a plane and they don't have a book, they're not watching a movie, they're just looking out the window. I go, Yeah, it's you know, it's that's when, you know, again, time to think and turn my mind off. Turn the mind off. And just I come up with all kinds of great ideas, just yes, watching the scenery go by, but you know, behind and yeah, she's always working on the plane. I said, No, you gotta try it sometime. Just look out the window and enjoy.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

It works.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

It really works. It does.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

So, what's the hardest transition you've navigated?

SPEAKER_00 55:09

Um, I walked walked away from a wedding. I think that I think because I was so much younger, um, and it was one of the first times that I really listened to my intuition. It kind of stayed with me longer than any of the other big transitions that I've made. The last one I was like, best thing I've ever done. I've gotten to that point. Um, yeah, early on, yeah, I was, I mean, I had the dress, I had, you know, the whole thing, and drove around with the stamped, sealed invitations in the back of my car for a couple weeks. And just I knew if and it was a formal sit-down, I mean, it was a big deal wedding. And um I knew if those envelopes went in the mail that I I would have I would go through with it. I wouldn't not not do that. And that one, that one was that was a good first lesson. It was a good first lesson. There were moments in between then and now that I didn't listen so well, but I did listen. And that was probably one of the best first lessons about paying attention because there were red flags, there were, you know, got feelings, there were all kinds of things that just like something's not right here.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:27

And I I'm grateful that I listened. I I know it was absolutely the right decision. But of course, you know, I was in my twenties and just really learning this. I questioned it for a long time. So I that I I think that's probably the toughest for that reason. For that reason that took a while to get right with the fact that that was the right decision and not second guess myself.

SPEAKER_04 56:53

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 56:53

Right. Yeah. Like, should I, shouldn't I? It's like, yeah, no, absolutely the right decision to make. So most of them are have gotten easier than that.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

But I had so many friends come up and go, Oh my gosh, I wish I'd had the nerve to do that or I wouldn't be divorced. So their confirmation helped a little bit, but you know, not not enough. Not enough.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

So that would that's probably toughest. Well but you listen to your intuition and uh that was a good thing for you. And for you ladies listening, please listen to your intuition. It will get you out of situations that you don't really need to be in.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

So and it's gotten me into two of my very favorite jobs, too. That just I don't think that's gonna be much of anything. And then it's like, oh my gosh, this is evolved. I love this fantastic word like travel and using all my skills and whatnot. So it works both ways, getting me in and out of things, both. But it's the key is learning to listen to it and taking action, taking action on it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

So give me one word that defines this chapter of your life.

SPEAKER_00 58:11

It's gotta be transformation. Not that I haven't had a few of those already. Somebody said, I always think, I it's been like a roller coaster. My life's been a roller coaster. They said, No, it's your hero's journey. And I thought, yeah, that's a better way to frame it. You know, thank you, Joseph Campbell, for all of his work. Yes, rather than roller coaster. But I compare it to like my brother's eye joke. I said, You guys have been escalator lives. It's like, you know, and it's like, but mine has been, you know, Magic Mountain on steroids in so many ways. Maybe it's I'm harder to learn the lessons, but that's been my path this time, and I'm grateful for all of for all of the twists and turns because they have served me in so many ways and built built up skills. And now I'm at a point in my life where I get to give back, uh hopefully, and fresh air. And yeah, yeah, it's been worth it. All of it's been worth it if I get to do that.

SPEAKER_05 59:09

Yeah, it definitely are more fun than escalator anyway.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Although I'm not a roller coaster fan, you know, I can handle the ones at Disneyland, but not much beyond that. But who needs them? Because I've been living answer, right?

SPEAKER_05 59:23

So Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

I've done my own version of it.

SPEAKER_05 59:28

You're your own roller coaster.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

So I don't have to buy a ticket for it. Right, right. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 59:35

So if someone feels afraid to step onto the plane, metaphorically or literally, what would you want them to know about trusting the journey?

SPEAKER_00 59:45

That's that's a literal and a figurative question. Get on the plane, just do it, just do it. I'm in a was in a group of women traveling, you know, over 50, and there was one, I'll share this quickly. She goes, I'm doing my first trip and I'm my first solo trip, and I'm going and I'm going to Paris, and I'm so afraid. You know, what if I get lost? And I'm like, if you get lost, you're lost in Paris. Yeah.

unknown 1:00:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

Where's the downside? And it's not that you're lost, you're just someplace you didn't know existed. And that's where the that's been with travel where I find the neatest things is when I go, don't take the main street, take the side street. And it's been the same with life. It's just, you know, take a chance. If you're feeling called to something, it may not make sense. A lot of times it's like, this doesn't make sense. And I don't know why, but there's a reason you're getting called to that. There's a reason that that's, you know, reaching that experience is trying to connect with you. Or have you connect? And it's it's a leap of faith a lot of times. So just take the first step the first step or the three feet in front of you, like like I get. And the next three steps you'll see them. They'll show up.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:00

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:01

Anna, your story is such a reminder that transitions aren't endings, they are invitations.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

Where can our listeners find out more about you and your work?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

If they'll download either or one of the little sheets that I offered, intuitiongift.com or secondactplaybook.com. It's got all my contact information on there, and they'll have some tools that they can play with, which will also help them kind of get to know more. But yeah, um, contact info, they can give me a call. I'd love to start them on their journey if I can.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:38

That's awesome. Again, thank you so much. Thank you. This was so much fun. Really enjoyed this.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:45

Exactly. I've I've learned so much. It's it's been a blessing. So we appreciate you being here.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Oh, my truly my pleasure. I just I love I love this topic, these topics, number one. And it's so fun to talk to fellow travelers. Exactly. Every tense of that word. Shared journeys.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:06

Yeah. Thank you so much. Well, sometimes the bravest thing you can do when life falls apart is to get on a plane. And so to our listeners, if this episode resonated, share it with someone navigating a transition. We'll have the links to Anna's work in the show notes and on our website, traveltimestories.com. Each of our past guests has a personal page on our website. So be sure to check it out. And until next time, keep traveling your story and keep making memories for life.